TV Fanatic: Supergirl Round Table: Is Jeremiah a Goner?.

Interesting that they think Jeremiah will sacrifice himself but I certainly hope not, I definitely want Jeremiah returned to his family.

Good episode, but my biggest pet peeve is how the writers need to sort out the timeline. They keep saying Jeremiah's been gone 15 years (and in one instance, 14). But they said just a few episodes ago, in "The Martian Chronicles", that they were celebrating Kara's 13th "Earth Birthday". 13 years since she crashed on earth.

It's these little things that can make a devoted fan cringe a bit.

But yes, this was a great episode, and I can't wait to see the 2nd part. Mon-El made me cringe, though. I don't mind that he and Kara are together (I think it's temporary, at best). And I don't mind that he was right about Jeremiah. He's the only one who had no emotional attachment to Jeremiah, so it kinda made sense.

What made me cringe is HOW he went about his accusations...in the middle of a "welcome home" party. Come on, dude...use some tact.

I don't think "tact" is taught on Daxam. I have surmised as others have that much of Mon-El's lack of tact, no filter, etc....are from his earlier life. He is still very new to earth, and his upbringing was far different from Kara's or earthlings for that matter. That explains a lot for me.

he did try to discuss with Kara at the deo but she like others didn't want to hear it and then he got pressed for an opinion.

Yep. If you watch that scene, Mon-El was keeping quiet about his concerns all during the toast. It wasn't until J'onn said they were going to let Jeremiah back in with no questions asked that Mon-El whispered his gobsmacked disbelief quietly to Kara and Kara in return demanded that Mon-El "say something nice to him - now" then it all started going pear-shaped.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Kara was a wee bit out of line demanding that Mon-El say something nice to Jeremiah when she knew Mon-El had reservations about him.

Yes, I think Mon-El should've towed the company line at that moment, bitten his tongue regarding his reservations and instead should've waited to reiterate his concerns to J'onn and Kara after the family get together. He screwed that up. But, with that said, I don't think it's right that Kara demanded that he express something he didn't believe and she knew that. I'm not trying to cast aspersions on Kara here either, but just pointing out that they all weren't using their best judgement in this situation.

Of course, YMMV.

Good episode, but my biggest pet peeve is how the writers need to sort out the timeline. They keep saying Jeremiah's been gone 15 years (and in one instance, 14). But they said just a few episodes ago, in "The Martian Chronicles", that they were celebrating Kara's 13th "Earth Birthday". 13 years since she crashed on earth.

It's these little things that can make a devoted fan cringe a bit.

But yes, this was a great episode, and I can't wait to see the 2nd part. Mon-El made me cringe, though. I don't mind that he and Kara are together (I think it's temporary, at best). And I don't mind that he was right about Jeremiah. He's the only one who had no emotional attachment to Jeremiah, so it kinda made sense.

What made me cringe is HOW he went about his accusations...in the middle of a "welcome home" party. Come on, dude...use some tact.

I don't think "tact" is taught on Daxam. I have surmised as others have that much of Mon-El's lack of tact, no filter, etc....are from his earlier life. He is still very new to earth, and his upbringing was far different from Kara's or earthlings for that matter. That explains a lot for me.

he did try to discuss with Kara at the deo but she like others didn't want to hear it and then he got pressed for an opinion.

Good episode, but my biggest pet peeve is how the writers need to sort out the timeline. They keep saying Jeremiah's been gone 15 years (and in one instance, 14). But they said just a few episodes ago, in "The Martian Chronicles", that they were celebrating Kara's 13th "Earth Birthday". 13 years since she crashed on earth.

It's these little things that can make a devoted fan cringe a bit.

But yes, this was a great episode, and I can't wait to see the 2nd part. Mon-El made me cringe, though. I don't mind that he and Kara are together (I think it's temporary, at best). And I don't mind that he was right about Jeremiah. He's the only one who had no emotional attachment to Jeremiah, so it kinda made sense.

What made me cringe is HOW he went about his accusations...in the middle of a "welcome home" party. Come on, dude...use some tact.

I don't think "tact" is taught on Daxam. I have surmised as others have that much of Mon-El's lack of tact, no filter, etc....are from his earlier life. He is still very new to earth, and his upbringing was far different from Kara's or earthlings for that matter. That explains a lot for me.

I saw that, it was very cool....I love seeing the BTS. Derek Simon is my favorite writer for the show, and he is great on Twitter.

Saw it, too. And totally agree...one of my favorite writers. Very responsive to his followers, as well, on twitter.

If you go to the end of this review from A.V.Club there's a tweet from Derek Simon (Supergirl writer) who posted a 12 second video "hello Twitter this is what #Supergirl would look like if @armenvfx didn't exist" about the train save sequence. Pretty amazing stuff and Melissa sells it so well.

Link to Derek Simon's twitter page also included.

I saw that, it was very cool....I love seeing the BTS. Derek Simon is my favorite writer for the show, and he is great on Twitter.

If you go to the end of this review from A.V.Club there's a tweet from Derek Simon (Supergirl writer) who posted a 12 second video "hello Twitter this is what #Supergirl would look like if @armenvfx didn't exist" about the train save sequence. Pretty amazing stuff and Melissa sells it so well.

Link to Derek Simon's twitter page also included.

I really did enjoy this episode, acting and dialogue wise...but disappointed how it panned out with Jeremiah. I knew something was up, but I was hoping I was wrong! I still think there's a twist involved and there's more to the story than Kara and Alex know, and if they knew I guess they would understand Jeremiahs motives more..:/
But darn it, the family dinner was so heart felt...and hearing Jeremiah talk about not proud of what he's done in the past, seeing him hug jonn, thanking him for protecting his daughters, the claps at the deo...not to mention didn't jonn talk bout having psych evaluation and checkup before joining the deo :/? It does seem strange that they didn’t pick up his arm was superficial earlier on as well. But I knew it was way too convienent that nothing would be up with Jeremiah..
Part if me actually wanted to be shocked like if Alex actually pulled the trigger, not killed him but the writers could've tricked us into thinking he was, although I guess he would he invulnerable to it? But to see him knocked out and the deo could check out what cadmus did to him exactly. Though it might not be Jeremiah as in the one they knew...I can't help but wonder it was kinda odd how he addressed jonn thank you friend...rather than name but maybe I'm paranoid lol

Good episode, but my biggest pet peeve is how the writers need to sort out the timeline. They keep saying Jeremiah's been gone 15 years (and in one instance, 14). But they said just a few episodes ago, in "The Martian Chronicles", that they were celebrating Kara's 13th "Earth Birthday". 13 years since she crashed on earth.

It's these little things that can make a devoted fan cringe a bit.

But yes, this was a great episode, and I can't wait to see the 2nd part. Mon-El made me cringe, though. I don't mind that he and Kara are together (I think it's temporary, at best). And I don't mind that he was right about Jeremiah. He's the only one who had no emotional attachment to Jeremiah, so it kinda made sense.

What made me cringe is HOW he went about his accusations...in the middle of a "welcome home" party. Come on, dude...use some tact.

See guys, I do understand that relationships have their ups and downs. But tell me this, how do you get back from telling someone, an adopted sibling at that, that she has to prove herself to be counted as one of the family? Do folks who have grown up from the get go as one family and share genes have to go through this too? Prove yourself a Danvers or else?

We have a great many movies in Hindi (Bollywood) about adopted relationships. A line from one of these comes to mind, paraphrased here. "You can't know the pain of being alone and without anyone, and then being accepted into a family and then being dropped the first time you make a mistake or do not follow the family consensus."

Just an apology wouldn't count here. And if the show lets Kara accept Alex back just with that, then they would be as wrong as Kara doing so in the case of Mon El with just an apology.

At that end scene there, I don't think Kara was mourning Jeremiah. Or, not just that. It was Alex's rejection at the end, even after being proved wrong, that must have hurt like hell.

Also, considering Eliza is a scientist too (and this show seems to think a geneticist is a doctor, and a planetary physicist is just the same as particle physicist so why not combine all other scientists too) and the fact that she knows Jeremiah so well and is not blinded by hero worship as Alex, it would have worked better for the story if Eliza had noticed that something was off with Jeremiah. Or, J'onn considering he is the mind reader; has had experiences with white Martians; and have been leading the DEO for so long. Mon El is not a scientist; is not familiar with Jeremiah. So, he starts off as suspicious of his girlfriend's foster father seems rather weird.

Right now, both J'onn and Alex come off as incompetent (after all, Alex checked Jeremiah's arm and didn't see the cybernetics connection) and should be asked to step down from the DEO.

I gave the episode a 10 just because of the train save but if I take that out I would rate the episode 9 out of 10 and 5 of that deserves to go to Chyler for an absolutely fantastic performance, you really felt Alex's pain in the scene at the end with Maggie.

Other Highlights:
- Really enjoyed the TV news report about Supergirl's morning superheroing exploits and then showing her flying into her apartment.
- Excellent opening action sequence with Supergirl and MM, some great flying shots and
Supergirl using her super-strength to stop the trailer was awesome.
- Dean Cain, always good to see him on the show and I thought he was really good.
- Dean and Helen, was happy they got to share a scene together and it was right to have Eliza deciding to re-start again after a long time apart from Jeremiah. Maybe in Season 3 that could be a interesting little story-line of Eliza and Jeremiah re-starting their marriage (that's assuming Jeremiah is returned to normal and his family of course).
- Blake Neely, some more awesome music from him.
- Winn and Mon-El bro moments

A thoroughly enjoyable episode.

When Supergirl was saving the train, I thought she was going to connect the track with her body so the train would run over her body, like in Superman the Movie. That would've been a cool nod to the movie.

That actually would've been pretty cool to see, Supergirl has paid homage to Richard Donner's excellent Superman The Movie quite often through it's run. It was good they put their own spin on it though as it was a totally awesome display of Superheroics, now in my Top 3 of Superheroics on this show so far along with the Missile Chase from 'Solitude' and the lifting of Fort Rozz into space from 'Better Angels'.

I was once asked why I quit watch Supergirl. This episode showed one of the reasons well. The CW destroyed the most beautiful thing they had in the series, which was the relationship between the Danvers sisters.

You do realize that relationships, family, friends, etc are not always fantastic, sweet, and fun....that is totally unrealistic to think that they would not go through tough times. As they have done time and time again, it comes down to the strength in their love, and if that strength is never tested then how do you really know how strong they are.

But, hey if that is why you stopped watching this series, alright....to each their own.

But wait, if you stopped watching the series, how do you know their relationship is ruined? ; )

One of my favorite episodes out of two seasons where acting is concerned. The sister "fights" really DID have me feeling unsettled "being there" to watch. And actually felt a "personal" connection to the sadness, witnessing Kara watching Alex and Eliza from a distance consoling each other as though Kara was left to comfort herself. I do love that the writers didn't tie up all the emotional loose ends, leaving us to have to wait for the sister connection to work itself out.

As far as the years thing, I will go with what was said in this episode....almost 14 years....why? because the 2 writers of this episode have been with the series from the start. We past 2 earth birthdays with Kara, but only saw the celebration of 1....so, 12+2 = 14. Hopefully the others writers take note..

Gave this episode a 9/10....well written by 2 of my fav writers from season 1. This episode made me very uncomfortable, which is a good thing, that means the acting was on point enough to make me fidget in the tough scene.

Besides the episode "Changes" I think this was by far one of Chyler's best episodes even though I wanted to punch her in the nose...lol

I haven't said "oh $&*(" this many times in an episode in a long time.

I loved the action, but what did it for me was the enormously tense scenes in this episode. I found myself holding my breath a few times.

The only thing that was sort of a problem for me, and took it down from a 10 to a 9 was the scene in the woods where Kara hears the train and turns for a moment. She has done that now a few times, BIG TIME last week, when she turns her back on Metallo to face Dr. Luthor and at that time I thought.....are you crazy, turn around, the main threat is behind you. But I didn't count off, now that it has happened again, the threat being in front of her and she turns her back on it was a problem for me. But, not a huge one.

So a solid 9 out of 10, really enjoyed this episode, one of my top 5 for the 2 seasons thus far.

It will actually be nice to have that week off after 2 very, very tense episodes. Kind of like the week we had off in between "Falling" and the crossover last season.

I like that emotional episode.
Everybody was blind but it's probably because it's easier than to face an hurtfull truth. In the beginning at least. Everything as been very well played by the actors.
I also like seeing Kara with her own clothes in the evening, that change from the Kara Danvers disguise.

I don't remember how it happened this episode: But, I saw a post in tumblr that explained the timing and seemed to say that mainly it is only Jeremiah who is confused. With everyone else, with a bit rounding off the number works as 12-13 (season 1-Season2) and their ages (Alex's and Kara's) work as well.

If we think that Jeremiah is confused (and others are just ignoring it as they have been doing), then yeah the story makes sense.

I really liked how Eliza told Jeremiah that things are different now. It makes sense.

Actually J'onn said the same thing in episode 3 when he was talking about "wearing the skin of a black man for the last 15 years". That could'nt be a group hallucination.

I don't remember how it happened this episode: But, I saw a post in tumblr that explained the timing and seemed to say that mainly it is only Jeremiah who is confused. With everyone else, with a bit rounding off the number works as 12-13 (season 1-Season2) and their ages (Alex's and Kara's) work as well.

If we think that Jeremiah is confused (and others are just ignoring it as they have been doing), then yeah the story makes sense.

I really liked how Eliza told Jeremiah that things are different now. It makes sense.

This is a total nitpick that (while it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the show) just makes my continuity loving brain twitch, so....what's the deal with characters in the show repeatedly saying that Jeremiah had been held by Cadmus for over 15 years? That doesn't make sense.

Just a few episodes back Kara was celebrating her Earth Birthday and she literally said it had been 13 years since she landed on Earth. She would've never even met Jeremiah if he was being held by Cadmus for over 15 years. It just.....Does. Not. Compute.

I know, I know. A total nitpick, but I wish the writers would get their numbers straight. Pick one and go with it, guys. Please?

To go along with how did Alex miss Jeremiah's robotic arm, and why did it take J'onn so long to realize he couldn't read Jeremiah's thoughts... MY question... How did Kara not see the biotic arm or rather... If she suspected him for even a second, why not just quickly scan him for brain implants or fake limbs? Yeah... It's not like they haven't been dealing with shape shifting Martians, and cyborgy people on the daily. Duh. They all DESERVED to be dooped.

And... ALEX DANVERS!! YOU, little lady, were not nice!! But AWESOME acting... And great tensions between her and Mel.

Oh and at the end when Jeremiah makes SURE Lillian sticks to their "deal"....I suspect that deal involves them leaving Supergirl alone... She's off limits with their plans to eliminate all aliens. But that would also mean, Cadmus does indeed know her identity. Not totally surprising.