Sneak Peek

Good find. Many thanks.

New Sneak Peek added to sneak peeks article for episode 10 thanks Rschick!

https://supergirl.tv/season-2-episode-10-sneak-peeks

Not a sneak peek, just some fun.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHHbm5VFQ6k

Not a sneak peek, just some fun.....

Excellent thanks Kelly, I thought about posting the lyrics to that legendary David Bowie song in this thread but didn't think they really fit. I do keep singing that line 'We can be heroes, just for one day' whenever I read this episode title though.

While the Episode title is probably in reference to Mon-El becoming a Superhero I wonder if the EP's titled it as such as a tribute to David Bowie.

Sneak Peek 3

Sneak Peek 4 which is an extension of Sneak Peek 2

certainly not my favorite episode.

- Livewire was fine, but I would have liked a bit more time for her instead of the knock offs. Though nice to see Jessi Graff get some time on screen. great quotable, "I love how little boys think they can be superheroes woman who is an actual superhero is here"

- Sanvers had small parts but cute. does Kara know Maggie knows?

- Might be the first episode of supergirl I really just didnt like Winn. Turned his back on Supergirl? for real?

- J'onn and M'gann was such a powerful and wonderful part of this episode, a true saving grace of the episode.

- Mon-El; I think Kara was a little harsh towards him. And considering she didnt explain what a phone was before getting him a job at catco I think I could but into she didnt explain things well to him except to listen to me. Which he did fail at so there is that....

- action was on point, some really good scenes.

- James; where do I begin. he is a guy that interviews well but his wordds dont match his actions or his attitude. They seriously had better not have Guardian save supergirls ass at some point to prove a point that he can be a hero too. I mean seriously they cant write that in, I mean she is f'n supergirl does she need a guy to save her?

As I give this a re-watch I might appreciate it more, but I felt this was the weakest episode of season 2.

Hank's part was done really well. Otherwise though...

Normally I would watch every episode of the Arrowverse shows as they come out and then see it again with my brother. I hesistate about this one, mainly because it's so hard to sit through the James parts. Especially when he put down Mon-El, and oh lord....when he said to Kara "you can try."

At that moment I temporarily hoped Kara would go off character and fight him. I dislike this character more than Arrow's Wild Dog.

A while ago Cisco was pretty salty at Barry on the Flash. Now Cisco was likeable and had a good reason, but it was still a pain to watch. Now James isn't likeable normally has no good reason. So....

Hi guys. Sorry to repost this as one post as the main page only allows for limited word count and I really wanted to know what people thought in regards to certain things, I've just been quiet about this so far.

Just playing devil’s advocate on The Guardian.

My little nephew asked me a while ago,

“is it okay to steal stuff from the government as long as you do good stuff with it?” What can I say? Straight from the mouth of babes!

I’m really not being negative for no reason. I’m just bringing up some observations I haven’t personally seen discussed. Maybe it has, but I didn’t see it.

Since the Guardian Story started, the family dynamic has all but gone. Winn and Jimmy has shown no concern for Kara both times she’s been missing since their Vigilantism began. James has been waging a one sided private competition against Kara since the beginning. Now Winn is keeping classified information from the DEO and its Agents in order to one up Supergirl and show her how it’s done. Now I know some think this is cool, but I really don’t. I miss the FAMILY dynamic of them working together, which has not been happening for a while.

After watching the Flash last week, with the team coming together in their quiet but heartfelt support for Barry and Iris. I almost teared up at their closeness. And I realized how different the Supergirl dynamic has become since the Guardian storyline was introduced. All because the boys want to be the hero of the hour. But not heroes that support the superhero. I wasn’t expecting to consistently enjoy The Flash more than Supergirl, but the heart wants what it wants.

And I know Kara will get a lot of grief from various fractions of the fandom (not talking about this forum) as she didn’t jump to support them, but personally, I feel really badly for her. She’s always the first to apologize. the first to admit it when she’s wrong and always the last to know everyone’s secrets. I’m hoping she kept her trip and her gift from Cisco to herself as what she has is really dangerous in irresponsible hands.

Also, if Winn is saying ‘How high’ every time James says ‘Jump’, shouldn’t they at least be doing it NOT on the DEO work hours? He’s done this repeatedly. Isn’t Winn suppose to be looking out for the organization and it’s Agents by being actually at the monitor doing his job. Seriously, in any remotely real situation, he would be fired and charged with treason for taking classified info and tech from a govt. installation for personal use. (The Guardian suit, shield, gadgets and Scooby van uses advance alien tech and equipment from the DEO) I got that bit from my little tiny nephew!!!


I don’t necessarily object to him and James being the Guardian, but Winn should choose between his ACTUAL job and his Vigilante work. Doing both just endangers the Agents he is supposed to be watching out for. Will there be consequences? (I doubt it.)

Will there be consequences to James not doing his day job too? Cat spent day and night making sure that CatCo stayed on top. And James just needs to do it when he can fit it in his Vigilantism. Am I suppose to take away that a woman just isn’t as effective as a man at being a CEO. Should we see Catco being damaged from his neglect?

And unless I was watching a different show, didn’t Kara save their butts on their first night out and Winn ran out of tricks and James was about to get squished like a bug by the Parasite before Kara showed up with the Plutonium and blew him up to tiny pieces. She saved them again this episode, so would it kill them to say ‘Thank you’.

I don’t where this story is going, but if this fracture continues t/o the season, they need to just give ‘The Guardian’ their (James and Winn) own show with other DC b list characters for a spin off, kinda DC’s Legends of Tomorrow.

After this episode, I’d be happy to trade them for Eliza and Jeremiah permanently for a family show with The Danvers family and Martian Stepdad.

I don’t expect to see meaningful consequences from the writers, but sadly, I expect to see Kara telling W&J she is wrong and will they forgive her. I might note here that Winn made that suit with lead lining with purposeful deceit to keep Kara from seeing. Conversely, Winn was the very first person she told her secret to, almost the minute she became Supergirl. Is Kara hurt by that sentiment?

If these consequences would be address, then it could be a good story. But seeing some of the interviews from the actors, I doubt it.

And I just wish the writers would develop their recurring villains. After all ‘The Hero is only as good as the Villain?’ And Livewire, being obsessed by and created by Supergirl has huge potential.

I really love reading everyone’s comments and apologize in advance if I offend anyone. I’m just getting some stuff off my chest after remaining silent. Peace.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

Ink Slinger some nice points there. Can't quote your whole thing so I'll just say some thoughts. Basically I loved your take on this. Below might sound a bit ranty, and does contain some criticism of aspects the show. I'd like to declare before hand I LOVE THIS SHOW, and this show means more to me than some of you can imagine if you'd read a post I made long ago.

Comparing Supergirl to the Flash raised an interesting point. Supergirl is my favourite show on TV right now for many good reasons, but if I was to be rational, The Flash is likely narratively structured better at least so far.

Supergirl has too many arcs for difference characters and devotes too much time to them compared to the other shows. Not necessarily a bad thing but when one of those arcs is as unenjoyable as Guardian it has an impact on the fun of each episode.

James feels like he has equal weight to Kara this Season, which shouldn't be right. The show isn't called Supergirl and Guardian. The Flash's support team understands enough that each should help to their capacity. Cisco and Caitlin are definitely heroes, but they don't suit up fighting crime in the streets. Before Wally got powers, he expressed his heroism in an appropriate capacity, driving his car to help Barry and others. Never once has he received the delusion to ask for a suit from Cisco and fight villains in secret.

Meanwhile, amidst Alex deciding to hang with Maggie, give up, hang with Maggie, give up (Sanvers has been pretty good so far but at times it's distracting), Jame's childish stunts and newer constantly generated social conflicts between the previously cohesive Team Supergirl, some of the most important aspects of the season, namely the fact that CADMUS has Jeremiah, has been sidelined. While The Flash is racing to stop Savitar from killing Iris, Arrow attempts to investigate Prometheus, the Legends defend time and find the Spear of Destiny, I can't find a way to finish this sentence with a description of what Supergirl is doing. It seems to be a constant stream of villains of the week.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

I did ask that question a while ago with a forum post but no one answered lol. I do believe Guardian is a direct result of trying to address what role does James actually have on this show except it backfired. Personally I reckon he should have just been a Caitlin/Cisco style friend, a mentor with some experience (not in being a superhero though, he has none of that) that gave occasional advice and backed Kara with his investigation skills. I reckon it went downhill when he was written to be a romantic interest.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

with his camera as a photographer he could have helped her learn the ropes of being an investigative reporter, they could get into trouble together here and there.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

with his camera as a photographer he could have helped her learn the ropes of being an investigative reporter, they could get into trouble together here and there.

Precisely my friend! As opposed to this faux Arrow Mk.II minus 5 years in hell and League training.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

with his camera as a photographer he could have helped her learn the ropes of being an investigative reporter, they could get into trouble together here and there.

Precisely my friend! As opposed to this faux Arrow Mk.II minus 5 years in hell and League training.

to be 100% fair, if they wrote him a lot more humble in it all I could get behind guardian, but he has been so smug and selfish from the start of it. People lie because they know deep down what they are doing is wrong. When James was speaking with Kara in the catco office, did he seem like someone humbly asking for understanding or someone looking to rub her face in the idea? Then when the topic of Mon-El came up he backed off? why?

at the end of it Kara was the fandom in this episode. to quote a new twitter friend,
1. How the heck is James a superhero/he's gonna get himself killed
2. Why was everyone lying to her about Guardian
3. She knows Mon El doesn't have inborn heroics
4. She says that he can change
5. She knew Mon El's real motives.

Also from Leslie:
1. Where's the girl power
2. Why do boys think they can do the work of a female super hero

"Why do boys think they can do the work of a female super hero"

Hoping you didn't mean that Mon-El and James are not as good as Kara based on that reason. They aren't as good as she is but surely not because of that. Otherwise you'd be tearing into Jonn and Superman too.

"Why do boys think they can do the work of a female super hero"

Hoping you didn't mean that Mon-El and James are not as good as Kara based on that reason. They aren't as good as she is but surely not because of that.

no its more a "pile on". I mean even Livewire sees it

They both got different motives and I reckon Mon-El is fine. But yeah I see some of what you're saying

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

They were absolutely right to make James 'The Guardian'. But they made him the wrong kind of Guardian.

I think a majority of people don't like the Guadian arc here and other places, is because there's an intuitive knowing that the story just doesn't 'feel' right. Because James, the character, has not EARNED his accolades, the way Kara had to. She made mistakes, ripped up a tanker, caused an oil spill, was reviled at one point. Kids threw their super girl costume in the trash. She had to win back the City's trust.

She gives of herself to protect even her enemies. She gave the ultimate sacrifice to save the entire planet without asking for anything back other than her friends go on and have a good life. She EARNED it.

James on the other hand gets handed a company. From being a photo journalist? An art editor? Who aren't typically writers. Kara probably know how CatCo was run by being Cat's assistants for 3 years. Not saying she should be mind you, not nearly.

He practically bullies Winn into helping him and they are instant Heroes. He keeps calling HIMSELF a hero, though he's a Vigilante. You could argue that Supergirl is too, a vigilante, but in her case, she is asked by the Police Dept to help. They've practically deputized her.

The Guardian is written to make no mistakes. Just Boom, the Guardian is a hero without a journey to becoming a hero. It just feels 'false' and the audience know this intuitively.

HOW JAMES could have worked, and worked very well? The writers were handed James' story on a plate back in season one. 'Human for a Day'. That episode should have been the beginning of his story. The photograph he loved so much that he had it framed for Kara? The moment he drew so much inspiration from, and easily Brooks' best work on the entire series. That moment ended in a really heartfelt scene between he Kara and shared something meaningful and private with her.

That moment when Kara became the truest hero without powers, is when James could have realized just how important being a HUMAN hero is, and how he, without powers could be a hero too. That doesn't mean getting into a costume. James could have been written as a man of quiet strength and wisdom, there to guide the young budding hero to something even greater than she she even knew. After all, hanging out with Clark all those years must have taught him some wisdom.

He should have been 'The Guardian', archetype in this story. In fact I thought he was, until he became only the love interest.

As for how James could have fit in as a useful guardian archetype character. He could be expanded his fighting skills 'on screen' like their 'rocky' scene from S1 with Kara. He could have trained with Kara to become a stronger fighter. He could have been her confidante and began writing articles, then in S2 he would have been well positioned to encourage Kara's path as an investigative reporter instead of this ridiculous CEO rubbish. They could have been partners in journalism. She of the pen, he with his camera. All the while watching her back, since Kara has a tendency to disregard her own safety. And above all, James could have been instrumental in helping Kara and Alex find Jeremiah and Cadmus. You know that non story, story. Does any one even care where the poor bloke is? And off course there would be conflict between on the way. Kara is a bit of a hothead.

All that would have fit in with where Cadmus left off from S1, made real use of James at CatCo and an instrumental part of the Hero's life and journey. And we would all love him for it. After all, every General should have his Marcus Aurelius. Or every Queen should have her Francis Walsingham.

That was likely a much longer answer than you expected. Sorry I got carried away!

I'm not dissing the show at all. I'm very supportive of it, and as comic book shows aren't normally my thing, it's a surprise to me that I like it. I followed Melissa here from Whiplash and Glee, and plan on supporting the show until the end. Even if I have to FF some of it :P Plus I really LOVE most of these actors.