Not a sneak peek, just some fun.....

Excellent thanks Kelly, I thought about posting the lyrics to that legendary David Bowie song in this thread but didn't think they really fit. I do keep singing that line 'We can be heroes, just for one day' whenever I read this episode title though.

While the Episode title is probably in reference to Mon-El becoming a Superhero I wonder if the EP's titled it as such as a tribute to David Bowie.

Sneak Peek 3

Sneak Peek 4 which is an extension of Sneak Peek 2

Hank's part was done really well. Otherwise though...

Normally I would watch every episode of the Arrowverse shows as they come out and then see it again with my brother. I hesistate about this one, mainly because it's so hard to sit through the James parts. Especially when he put down Mon-El, and oh lord....when he said to Kara "you can try."

At that moment I temporarily hoped Kara would go off character and fight him. I dislike this character more than Arrow's Wild Dog.

A while ago Cisco was pretty salty at Barry on the Flash. Now Cisco was likeable and had a good reason, but it was still a pain to watch. Now James isn't likeable normally has no good reason. So....

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

Ink Slinger some nice points there. Can't quote your whole thing so I'll just say some thoughts. Basically I loved your take on this. Below might sound a bit ranty, and does contain some criticism of aspects the show. I'd like to declare before hand I LOVE THIS SHOW, and this show means more to me than some of you can imagine if you'd read a post I made long ago.

Comparing Supergirl to the Flash raised an interesting point. Supergirl is my favourite show on TV right now for many good reasons, but if I was to be rational, The Flash is likely narratively structured better at least so far.

Supergirl has too many arcs for difference characters and devotes too much time to them compared to the other shows. Not necessarily a bad thing but when one of those arcs is as unenjoyable as Guardian it has an impact on the fun of each episode.

James feels like he has equal weight to Kara this Season, which shouldn't be right. The show isn't called Supergirl and Guardian. The Flash's support team understands enough that each should help to their capacity. Cisco and Caitlin are definitely heroes, but they don't suit up fighting crime in the streets. Before Wally got powers, he expressed his heroism in an appropriate capacity, driving his car to help Barry and others. Never once has he received the delusion to ask for a suit from Cisco and fight villains in secret.

Meanwhile, amidst Alex deciding to hang with Maggie, give up, hang with Maggie, give up (Sanvers has been pretty good so far but at times it's distracting), Jame's childish stunts and newer constantly generated social conflicts between the previously cohesive Team Supergirl, some of the most important aspects of the season, namely the fact that CADMUS has Jeremiah, has been sidelined. While The Flash is racing to stop Savitar from killing Iris, Arrow attempts to investigate Prometheus, the Legends defend time and find the Spear of Destiny, I can't find a way to finish this sentence with a description of what Supergirl is doing. It seems to be a constant stream of villains of the week.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

I did ask that question a while ago with a forum post but no one answered lol. I do believe Guardian is a direct result of trying to address what role does James actually have on this show except it backfired. Personally I reckon he should have just been a Caitlin/Cisco style friend, a mentor with some experience (not in being a superhero though, he has none of that) that gave occasional advice and backed Kara with his investigation skills. I reckon it went downhill when he was written to be a romantic interest.

So I am seeing a lot of dislike to James' role this season as Guardian. First of all that is totally ok and it's good to share opinions. There are always going to be plot points that folks don't enjoy. But on that note I thought I would ask you guys a question. What would be a good storyline for James that you would enjoy? The character is well within canon and has had plenty of history with Supergirl. Is there a plot line you would enjoy seeing?

with his camera as a photographer he could have helped her learn the ropes of being an investigative reporter, they could get into trouble together here and there.

Precisely my friend! As opposed to this faux Arrow Mk.II minus 5 years in hell and League training.

"Why do boys think they can do the work of a female super hero"

Hoping you didn't mean that Mon-El and James are not as good as Kara based on that reason. They aren't as good as she is but surely not because of that. Otherwise you'd be tearing into Jonn and Superman too.

"Why do boys think they can do the work of a female super hero"

Hoping you didn't mean that Mon-El and James are not as good as Kara based on that reason. They aren't as good as she is but surely not because of that.

no its more a "pile on". I mean even Livewire sees it

They both got different motives and I reckon Mon-El is fine. But yeah I see some of what you're saying

with his camera as a photographer he could have helped her learn the ropes of being an investigative reporter, they could get into trouble together here and there.

Rschick

EXACTLY

Overall a good episode that I think will be important to the rest of the season.
The really good
-J’onn and M’gann – It’s a special thing when forgiveness helps not only the person forgiving move forward but saves the person being forgiven too. She deserved his forgiveness all the more because she never asked for it. I loved that J’onn needed his “daughters” Kara and Alex with him as he faced an emotional situation.
-That Mon-El told Kara how he feels, it’s her move now. I do hope we get a sister talk about this after Kara thinks things over for a bit. It’s not like Winn where she knew she didn’t like him and it’s not like James where I think last season she liked him more than he liked her. She likes Mon-El and I really hope his secret comes out before she makes her move or she’s going to get hurt.

The Good
-Livewire being the victim instead of the villain and working with Supergirl was a nice twist. Kara is learning that the superhero business like life isn’t black and white. Livewire is a good nemesis for Supergirl because they understand each other’s strengths and weaknesses.
-Alex and Maggie were cute, I guess Maggie’s just hanging out at the DEO whenever she wants now. Alex is right vegan ice cream is disgusting.

What they’re going to have to work on the rest of the season.
So the only person who wasn’t keeping a secret (ether about Guardian or whatever Mon-El is hiding) from Kara was J’onn and that’s hurt her. Someone brought up a good point I wonder what Clark would think about Guardian. I was hopping Supergirl/James/Winn would come to a compromise and I think they will but they’re not ready for that yet. J’onn should have put Winn on probation, people could have gotten hurt because Winn kept important information from the DEO. I find it interesting that J’onn didn’t try to make Winn stop helping James.
Kara is basically more alone than she ever has been since she became Supergirl. Winn’s deception will cut deep. He purposely designed that suit to deceive her, not sure if she’s put that one together yet. Winn may be unconsciously distancing himself from Kara because of her developing relationship with Mon-El. What she said about James and Winn getting killed is true but she could have used a better argument. It did seem she was implying that a hero needs superpowers and in that she was wrong. That being said I don’t want her to be the one to apologize. I am going to play the women apologize too much for speaking their minds card on that one and I won’t apologize for that. Let’s not forget Alex knowing about Winn and James and choosing to keep that from her sister, I hope we hear a good explanation on that one. Everyone including Alex and Maggie owes Kara an apology for keeping Guardian a secret from her before she can fully trust them again.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and I am going to trust the producers have a plan.

I reckon it went downhill when he was written to be a romantic interest.

Fedguy,

THIS

Ok, under the weather a little today but here it goes....

Positives:
1. One of the best written episodes thus far for me, Parrish is one of my fav writers from last season, and she did not disappoint in this episode.
2. Kara and Mon-El scenes once again, top notch, the nuances between these two actors is spectacular and fireworks worthy.
3. I also loved the scene between Kara and James. Even though I am not a fan of Guardian, I "almost" understood James, and then he fell right back into being the jealous, I'm hero no matter what you say guy once again. I know some think that was out of character for Kara, but not one time did she say that he wasn't or couldn't be a hero...she simply stated fact, he isn't like her, or Clark or Mon-El....that is fact. Some have compared him to Oliver (NOT EVEN CLOSE) 5 years of intense, all areas of combat, total mindset of a soldier training does not equal a Black Belt. Also, we forget that Kara watched her 3 friends jump off a freaking building, and she was only able to save 2. She knows their weaknesses better than they know themselves, she has seen them. James can say all day long that Guardian is who he is, yet not once OUT OF THE GUARDIAN suit has he proven that. Kara has proven it time and time again out of the Supergirl suit.
4. Loved the little scenes with Maggie and Alex, very comfortable scenes, and I loved them.
5. Also, loved the scenes with Jonn and MGann....I'm going to really like that storyline I think.

Negatives:
1. The biggest one was not Guardian, I KNOW......A GASP COMES FROM THE CROWD....LOL It was actually questions not answered. Who the heck was this doctor, where did he come from, how did he know about Livewire, and how did he come into contact with the 2 he created? That was out of nowhere.

2. James is just unlikable at the moment. I'm just about to like him again, and then he goes into "jealous boy" once again and well, the likability flies out the window.

9/10 for me this go around.

I enjoyed this episode though I wish there had been more Brit Morgan in it. Regardless of how it goes, I truly enjoy the banter between Mon-El and Kara. However, though I think in general, the show has improved in overall quality, it has been at the cost of its soul. It's missing last year's spark and that goes beyond "sisters night." Look at Falling again and the current episodes and you will note the difference.

What do they need to fix? I am not fully sure. A return of "sisters night" would be good. A stronger focus on Kara and spending more time with her would be great. A good arc to cover the season that is consistent throughout. I thought this year would focus on Cadmus and Kara's development as a reporter. Both have been spotty and I would think Cadmus and Jeremiah at least would be a focus for both Kara and Alex.

I think the of the two arcs were good ideas poorly executed. I want to see a greater consistency in the overall seasonal plot.

Then there's Guardian. Last night, I saw another example of "cape envy." Mehcad is an actor who deserves a better roles. They don't seem to offer one. He could be Kara's hard charging journalism mentor. If not, perhaps kill him off as the hero he wants to be: death as the guardian.

Overall in terms of spirit, we need to recapture that for Season 3. Season 2, again, is an improvement in some ways, but is missing the key ingredient of Season 1.

Argo

Fully agree, Argo. It's what I was trying to point out, too, in my review. It was one of my favs this season BECAUSE it's the one that felt closest to the spark of last year.

Another example of this... When kara partially stormed into Cat's Office last night, I literally said to myself, "Man! I miss the 'feeling' of last season!!" Remember in July/August when they kept getting asked, "How has the move to the CW changed the feeling of the show," they would all say not at all, it all still feels like it did before? Lies... Crack smoking... False. Lol

Argo, you were spot on! Go back to ANY of the episodes from last year... That special chemistry is almost gone now *enter sad face here* Yes.. There are some HUGE improvements now... But the special spark is dying. Last night, I was able to see some flickerings of season 1...and I had forgotten how good it felt to see it.

One thing I've REALLY struggled with as of late... All of the actors/actresses/staff EXCEPT Chyler have become QUITE vocal politically on their social media. Melissa even posted a pic holding a sign with a less than stellar message on it. Kiwi and I were talking about it, each of us posing the question "can you IMAGINE if she had held up that sign amongst that room of little girls and little girl scouts from last year?" Made me sad. And thinking about it, a huge part of last year's spark was the light heartedness of the cast... And the joy they seemed to be feeling of this little miracle of a show they had been given. And now...the cast just seems to be part of all the division in the world. They seem to have become emboldened in "preaching" their views. On election night Jeremy had even tweeted anger and belittled "small town America." I appreciated he tweeted an apology a few hours later... But man...saddened my little ticker.

I just keep reminding myself... People have opposing views. But...I truly believe... We are all inherently good inside...and I truly have to believe, we all just want a good life for ourselves and others... And that we need to just overlook one another's weaknesses and seek out the strength. Except terrorists and serial killers.... They all suck and are all dead inside.

So... Here's hoping they will be able to merge the great updates of the show with the spark of last season.

Oh... And for the love of all things holy... Alex... Please show concern for your father. And... Pretty sure Eliza would ACTUALLY be hounding the DEO, Alex, and Kara to be out there actively looking for Jeremiah and not showing more concern for her girls' love lives.

after a re-watch I did a bit more thinking and wanted to add this, I know it seems like piling on.

during that first action sequence they showcased the power levels of all 3; Supergirl, Mon-el, and Guardian. Supergirl is getting hit over and over again with these electric bolts and is essentially fine. Mon-El is able to handle the bolts albeit with the use a make shift sheild (van door). Guardian even with his shield up is knocked down for the count from just 1 bolt.

as for Mon-El/James motives; Mon-El wants to get in Kara's pants, pure and simple. James feels left behind by all his superhero friends and wants to show especially to Kara that he is on the same level as her, but he never will be. The will to be a superhero is a nice start, but you need more. Winn's toys elevate James' reach but think how superheroic Iron Man is without his suit.

Batman or even Green Arrow for that matter wouldnt have allowed that cop to be hit by the bolt because both Batman and Green Arrow dedicate all of their time to be physically and mentally prepared for these situations. James treats it like a hobby he does at night.

and I am done crapping on James, I hope they fix him.

I mostly agree but I reckon Mon-El is genuine about wanting to be a hero. He fought Parasite long before he had any chance/friendship with Kara and he wanted to stay a hero after Kara seemingly rebuffed him. He's not a paragon but he's definitely a good guy.

"Man! I miss the 'feeling' of last season!!" Remember in July/August when they kept getting asked, "How has the move to the CW changed the feeling of the show," they would all say not at all, it all still feels like it did before? Lies... Crack smoking... False. Lol

... But the special spark is dying. Last night, I was able to see some flickerings of season 1...and I had forgotten how good it felt to see it.

There is definitely a different feel to Season 2 and for me that's the strong sense of Family/Close friendship that helped make Season 1 so special which IMHO doesn't seem to be there as much so far in Season 2.

That strong family theme ran throughout Season 1 and essentially open and closed the season beginning with Kara saying goodbye to her Krypton family and then meeting her Earth family and finishing with that sweet scene in 'Better Angels' where Kara raised a toast to "Family, love bonds us all".

In Season 1 we had the Father/Daughter relationship of J'onn, Alex & Kara, the sister bond of Alex & Kara and the close friendship of Kara,James & Winn working together @ Catco. Most of that seems to have gone by the wayside in Season 2 as everyone has gone in their different directions which is probably good for character development but not at the expense of that enjoyable family closeness. Kara and Winn hardly talk to each other now and their friendship was one of the many enjoyable parts of Season 1.

I had similar feelings to you evrafter during this episode when watching David's and Chyler's scenes together which were fantastic and I thought to myself I've hardly seen this in Season 2. They had some awesome scenes in Season 1 like when MM revealed himself to Alex in 'Human for a Day' and when Alex was trying to comfort J'onn in 'Strange Visitor from Another Planet'.


evrafter "Oh... And for the love of all things holy... Alex... Please show concern for your father. And... Pretty sure Eliza would ACTUALLY be hounding the DEO, Alex, and Kara to be out there actively looking for Jeremiah and not showing more concern for her girls' love lives."

Unfortunately it doesn't appear Eliza knows that Kara has seen Jeremiah alive, a short scene in 'Medusa' of Kara and Alex telling her would've been nice. I just hope they haven't forgotten about that story-line and that it plays a major part at the end of the season (between Episodes 17 and 22), I still wish for a happy Danvers family reunion this season.